Gakusen Toshi Asterisk Episode 5 Discussion

Raisken said:

Is there any source showing popularity of Asterisk girls? Asking out of curiosity since you might have any.

On a side note Kirin looks so much like Yui from Angel Beats with her hairstyle.

@Dragon Slayer X
No idea what you mean Ayato was at disadvantage, since to beat Kirin he needs to depend on other means like magical things - weapon, and magical power boosts - unsealing the seal which blocks his magic power/mana or whatever. From this battle I didnt see Kirin use either of those but just her agility and speed, so sorry but I cant see him being at disadvantage here even as MC who will be overpowered later on due to battle experience.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Sorry are you being blind on purpose or just ignorant? Learn to pay attention without dumb bias and shit.

What magical things? The weapons was a disadvantage in this case as a broadsword has lower attack speed compared to a nihountou and Ayato is more adept at using similar type of light weight weapons as Kirin (Hint:first 3 episodes). With the same type of weapons, Ayato can keep up with Kirin's attacks.

Also that's not magical power boosts, Ayato has a rather high amount prana..........that's his actual prana being suppressed. He can only use it for a limited amount. Every Genestella use prana for reinforcing their attack, speed, defense, agility and Kirin isn't any different. It's the same as breathing to them. Hello glowy hexagon things? Now stop being blind, take another look and think about this again. Who is one at a disadvantage..........the one who can continue using his/her prana without any limits or the one who can't?

Also if you paid attention, Ayato doesn't use any special abilities either. All his techniques so far has been sword techniques from his family style. Both are trained in their respective family style and using those techniques. Releasing the seal allows him to use his prana freely and for increasing his attack. speed, agility etc much like every other genestella. How effectively one can do that obviously depends on the person though.

MC is powerful because he also trained hard, he has experience and has pretty good battle analysis. But at the same time he is not perfect and not too much overpowered either.

Seriously there isn't even any need to take any sides here. Kirin is stronger as a swordsman but Ayato had several limitations such as time limit, not being used to Servesta and not being used to duel. He didn't lose in swordsmanship, he lost because of his time limit and his lack of knowledge about the duel. If the fight dragged on without him needing to think about the time limit, the outcome could have been pretty different.

Raisken said:

First of all we are speaking about anime here not LN stuff. So far I have seen that every character so far uses OP weapons made of magic, be it sword or a gun or puppet. Everyone of them used some shiny techniques which accumulated this so called prana. In Kirin battle Ive seen none except Ayato release and his sword, so I can think that way as anime watcher cant I? I've checked the LN and I found out that

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Look smart guy, i am talking about in context of the anime. Learn to pay attention and stop talking shit since you couldn't even debunk any of my points.

Lux weapons are the standard weapons in this verse and not made of some magic. The laser part is the normal activated form. Julis used her abilities even without using her weapons (they are called strega/dante or special ability users among the Genestella). The flashy abilities you saw Saya using in episode 2 or Lester in episode 4 are special attacks used by them by infusing their prana in their weapons. The stuff about Genestella and them using prana in almost everything is already shown/explained. It's not the anime's fault if you missed stuff or didn't understand.

The OP weapons you are talking about are called Orge Luxes which have special personalities and chooses their owner. So far Ser-vesta is only shown to cut through any stuff and not have any special abilities or cool flashy techniques that would matter in this duel. Also Ayato doesn't release his sword, Ser-vesta require a huge amount of prana just to activate and after the first time, Ayato couldn't activate it in his normal state (also stated in the anime). To make it short, it's Ser-vesta's activated form. You misunderstanding is wrong on several levels.

You clearly didn't understand Ayato's abilities or seal or lux weapons. He uses sword techniques not special techniques with Ser-vesta. Also you missed the shiny hexagons during the foot motions which shows that they were using Prana normally. The genestella is already explained and Kirin isn't any different in that regard. The only difference is she uses an nihountou and not some flashy techniques. Ayato's one may look flashy because of the shout-out but those are still sword techniques.

As for your spoiler.......

Raisken said:

I will end this talk here since I have more shows to watch.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:


Since i don't have much time listen to your "Kirin-love" based excuses either, i will try keep this short and i won't bother replying since you couldn't prove any of my points wrong..

I like most of characters in this show including Ayato and Kirin. So this is why i am annoyed by both the "Kirin didn't seem strong/Ayato was holding back" and also "Ayato had no disadvantage because magical weapons lol" bs comments.

It's a fact that you didn't understand much about the world-building, luxes or Ayato's abilities and seal as you have been mistakenly calling them some kind of magic from the get go. Look genius, Kirin uses those magical particles too for enhancing her her attack, defense, agility etc.......deal with it.



Ayato's techniques don't need a lux either, he can use them with a normal weapon too. The weapon disadvantage excuse for Kirin is mostly minor/unimportant as she is used to that weapon and only that (i.e. Ayato is not used to his yet so that point goes to him as well) and even if it's relevant, it doesn't even compare to the disadvantages Ayato had which you refuse to admit but couldn't disprove when i pointed them out.

All your excuses are "magical weapons, magical techniques.......blah blah blah" stuff since you misunderstood a lot of things or outright deny them.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
What magical things? The weapons was a disadvantage in this case as a broadsword has lower attack speed compared to a nihountou and Ayato is more adept at using similar type of light weight weapons as Kirin (Hint:first 3 episodes). With the same type of weapons, Ayato can keep up with Kirin's attacks.

Also that's not magical power boosts, Ayato has a rather high amount prana..........that's his actual prana being suppressed. He can only use it for a limited amount. Every Genestella use prana for reinforcing their attack, speed, defense, agility and Kirin isn't any different. It's the same as breathing to them. Hello glowy hexagon things? Now stop being blind, take another look and think about this again. Who is one at a disadvantage..........the one who can continue using his/her prana without any limits or the one who can't?

terminador_2397 said:

Btw Happy Halloween everyone

kiragsd4 said:

I don't understand why you two are arguing but i can only say that currently no one really knows who will win between ayato vs kirin even with all the information given from the LN.

Ryuutobi said:

But you need to account that Ayato could use any & all of his sword techniques when Kirin couldn't because any sword crossing in that duel would break her sword regardless who did the attack/parry.

Ryuutobi said:

See the point? The swords cross => Kirin loses.

Ryuutobi said:

This means she was restricted not only in defense but offense as well. In fact the restriction in offense was more severe since she needed to make sure that every single one of her attacks is one that is difficult to parry & must be dodged.

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
You are assuming that is the case but the opposite can also be assumed as well as we haven't been shown or told about their fighting styles entirely. Ayato could have taken a different approach if he was used to DUELs too..........

Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Imagine the same fight without Kirin knowing about Ser-vesta's ability and her uncle's instructions. Preparations are also a factor especially in the battle in Asterisk.

Ryuutobi said:
I just can't see how Ser Versta would restrict his sword skills as he can wield it just fine. Of course it would be different if he tried to use knife-fighting techniques using that big sword. But as long as its a technique of sword, then it should be doable despite being a little slower.

Ryuutobi said:

Still, the odd one here is actually Ayato because Kirin's uncle has shown us that getting information on other student is as easy as waving a hand. Thus, the fact that he is so uninformed about the top students is weird.

KamSung said:
The oppai blonde haired girl is starting to irritate me,she's hiding shit fuck.

ixarising said:


Claudia & innocent don't go along in the same sentence.

Ryuutobi said:
Yeah, Ayato really made a good call when he refused her offer a few episodes back. There's no way a girl who offers her body so easily to a boy whom she just met can be good.

L-Ryoshi said:
I just wish they didn't have to cram so much in each episode just to speed the story up though. 4 episodes a volume is perfectly fine, specially since we have two cours, there's really no need to rush the story, and they could have made the fights much longer and a lot more tactical.

Sakaitsu said:
Kirin is cute, so Ayato couldn't control himself and he started a duel. Claudia seems to be an enemies of the students, let's see what will happen.

Sakaitsu said:
Claudia seems to be an enemies of the students, let's see what will happen.